TORTURE WHILE IN U.S. CUSTODY

 

Interview about Torture. TORTURE WHILE IN U.S. CUSTODY - DATE OF RECORDING - JANUARY 2021

  INTERVIEWER: Okay.· So, this one's gonna be a little bit more unpleasant for you, but can you get into some of what happened to you when you ran afoul of Rosenstein and the Dirty Trick Squad and how they exacted their retribution on you?

  INTERVIEWEE: It was October 2009. Obama had been in the White House not that long, but everything had switched. The information I was providing from the doctor and from other sources was beneficial. They loved it. Nobody had ever had that kind of access, especially a white, Christian male, and it was fantastic, but when Obama came in he switched it. Now it was being used against the country and to protect themselves, how their exposure happened. And they were arming terrorist groups for various reasons, allowing them to stockpile, allowing them to move money overseas to support terrorism, and I exposed it, I exposed my job, and then they came down on me. Rod sent Rosati and Utz that's Gregory Utz to arrest me. They claim that a package had come from California that contained all manner of drugs in it , heroin, cocaine, everything and so they provided a warrant and they arrested me and incarcerated me, arrested my wife, and they provided a FedEx number for that one, for the package.

  INTERVIEWER: Who is this? You said Rosati and

  INTERVIEWEE: This was Joseph Rosati, the DEA, and his partner at the time, Gregory Utz, who was a task force officer with the DEA, formerly with the Baltimore County police in Maryland. And Rod sent them after me. These are his little henchmen.

  INTERVIEWER: Had you been warned prior to this to lay off what you had been digging on or did they just kinda blindside you with it?   

  INTERVIEWEE: No. I was what I was digging for on was provided to them for various cases terrorist cases, finance cases, material support of the terrorists cases, but when it exposed them, there you go.  And they were worried that I would talk, that I would tell them what was going on down here, so they sent a package set up in California, a big box with drugs in it. The FedEx number they provided was actually an overnight envelope, which wouldn't have held anything it was a new patient packet from the doctor's office. He provided a receipt and a letter, everything. And they said they apprehended me when I came to the mailbox place to get another box, and the person at the mailbox place actually provided a statement saying they handed it to them like four hours before that, so they brought it. It was never in the mail. They provided a postal service tracking number for that one as well, said that this box had come from California and that they received a call from the manager of the place to (inaudible). The tracking number, if you actually tracked it, had never been in California. It was a real tracking number that Gregory Utz had used to send a packet from Maryland to the ATF in Georgia that was his application for a suppressor that he still owns and it was tracked all the way into the ATF because it was an official document. So, never in California, a total lie.  There were no drugs in it. They said that there were pill bottles in there with pills, and the local police department logged them in as empty and they found them in my apartment, so the local police were at least doing their job and covering it correctly.  They tried to I had firearms at the time. They took in two of the Colt rifles, the RF-15's, and right in the police station took a Dremel tool to the receiver trying to say I had illegally modified a machine gun, and more charges, and the police just went, you know, "These are Feds."  You know, Narawatches [phonetic] was a smaller-town police department at the time, and they started documenting it. They were taking pictures of everything, too, because they were protecting themselves. They weren't necessarily hurting or helping me, but they were protecting themselves. And when that didn't work, they had actually called their friend Boroshok, had Boroshok come out and get the guns. This was just two weeks after the arrest. He came up, confiscated everything, took it downtown and destroyed it so they couldn't prove they had tried that. But they had me incarcerated in 2009, 2010 for seven and a half months. They starved me, they beat me. I lost 147 pounds in four and a half months, over half my body weight. Regular beatings, regular torture. They would pick me up and take me out on their authority. They would do it down the road, in the car, wherever, depending on what time they had. It got so bad that the prisoners in there, and correctional officers were trying to help me survive.  The warden actually stepped up and got in touch with the sheriff and said, "This can't continue," and on their authority they tried to get me out, but the judge was controlled.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, were they interrogating you during the course of these beatings or was this just

  INTERVIEWEE: Oh, it was interrogation. They wanted to know what I told them, what I had, had I ever made copies, where was it, what did I tell them about Baltimore, what was going on. That's what they were looking for. They went through my apartment. We had just moved into. They went through the apartment in Baltimore County, and every single piece of paper in there, they had looked at it, and if it wasn't it they ripped it so they could tell they'd already checked it. It was just, it looked like confetti. They were looking for codes, they were looking for (inaudible) access.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, did you come clean with everything that they were looking for, or they just thought you had more?· Or were you just trying to protect the information that you'd uncovered?

  INTERVIEWEE: They knew I had access to it because I was working with them in Baltimore, so they didn't want any of that coming out. They wanted to know if I had made copies, if I had recorded anything, because I'd make copies and recordings normally, they just wanted to know if I kept any.· And they looked from I even think they got into the safe deposit boxes. They tore up our other apartment when they arrested my wife. They kept her handcuffed, no food or water for 23 hours, no warrant. They didn't apply for a warrant 'til the following day. So, yeah.

  UNKNOWN MALE: Wow.

  INTERVIEWER: (Interposing) So, when you were being taken out of the jail what county was that jail in?

  INTERVIEWEE: Baltimore County, Maryland.

  INTERVIEWER: Okay. So, when you were being removed from the jail, were you being you were being signed in and signed out?

  INTERVIEWEE: By them, uh-huh.

  INTERVIEWER: So, there's are there existing records of every time

  INTERVIEWEE: Yeah.

  INTERVIEWER: you were removed from jail?

  INTERVIEWEE: Oh, yeah. And when I came back I was in such bad shape that they didn't wanna sign me back in. They didn't wanna be blamed for it.

  INTERVIEWER: Hmm.

  INTERVIEWEE: A couple times I came back I went right to Medical and I would stay three, four days in Medical just to try to recover from what they had done.

  INTERVIEWER: Are your medical records still available for that period of time in jail?

  INTERVIEWEE: Most of them are.

  INTERVIEWER: Documenting your weight loss and your injuries upon return?

  INTERVIEWEE: Oh, yeah. And the surgeries necessary for repair and things afterwards. It got progressively worse when I wouldn't tell them, because it was getting up towards the court date time when, you know, it was put up or shut up, and they didn't really have any leverage. So, when I was coming back, when they did sign me out and bring me back, it got so bad that the warden wouldn't let them sign me out anymore, if they wanted to see me they had to see me in the facility. Because they even took me to the courthouse one  time, and they took me up on the third floor where there's no cameras it's mostly lawyers; prisoners don't go there and they again chained me down between my legs with the belly chains, sat on my back, things like this, smacked me around, and again I was so bad that the jailer at the courthouse did not want to accept me back into his authority his custody, because he's like "I'm gonna be blamed for this. Look at him. He's all cut up.” So, he documented everything, took pictures and drove me right back. He didn't put me in cuffs. He drove me right back to the detention center, and they again didn't want to take the custody. So, this was at the courthouse. So, the warden and the sheriff were actually trying to get me out under their authority because it was wrong. So, he wouldn't let them take me out, so they would come in and sign me out and take me up front in the administration section. And they were gonna do whatever they wanted because they were Feds, they didn’t want anybody around, so we'd come back and once again I was in horrible condition bleeding, busted up, whatever, barely able to move and the warden said "We're not doing this." So, he told them that "You can't use guns anymore."  He wouldn't let them bring their guns in. These were Federal agents. He was trying to help. So Warden DeHaven.· He's a nice man. So, he wouldn't let them bring their guns in anymore. So, again they show up. Here comes and at this point I've lost over half my body weight. I'm bleeding from every orifice. They practically have to scrape me up, put me in a chair and get me up there, and they just continue their beatings. At one point they had -- I -- threw me on the floor and left me there and like three days later I'm in the same spot, and they came to get me and they're kicking me because they're so mad that they -- we have to -- they couldn't have their fun again. I had about eight inches of intestine distended from my rectum; it prolapsed because they kicked me in the stomach so much.  So, they took me up to the room, and I was so bad when I came back the warden, you know, "I've had enough of this." So, the next time he said, "I want a guard outside the room. Don't go in. I want a guard outside, an armed guard," he said, "I wanna know what you hear." He said, "Don't interfere," he said, "I wanna know what you hear." So, with the guard outside they were still so nasty and so violent that he stayed there the whole night after they were gone, after they put me back, to tell the warden the next morning.  He stayed up all night to tell him how bad it was.  So, he said, "Next time I want an armed guard in the room. This is the last -- I wanna see what they do."  So, he took one of his sergeants, armed, sat right in the corner and watched, and, of course, with him in there they toned it way down, and it was still so nasty he called the warden at home that night and told him. And that was it. He barred them after that.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, why did the warden let it go so long before he stepped in

  INTERVIEWEE: Well, they were Feds, and prisoners lie, prisoners exaggerate. But, you know, his own people saw it. And they were manipulating different staff members. The one time they take me out -- he wouldn't let them take out anymore. He wouldn't let them sign me out anymore.  Because they had taken me out, took me down the road, and they were, you know, doing their thing -- chaining  me down, beating me, stuff like this -- and they got the idea to waterboard me. So, he got this little mop bucket underneath the sink and he said "Fill it up with water." It was just a splash, it's not enough, it's not enough water to waterboard me, so "I'm gonna go out here and tell them off," a bad situation.· So, (inaudible).· So, he drags me out back.  Now, I'm chained to a chair, so they just drug me. · They throw me over backwards and they're standing on my shoulder, standing on my arm -- because I'm belly-chained; I'm completely in cuffs and ankle chains, everything -- and there are cans out there, five-gallon cans of kerosene and diesel fuel, so he started pouring that in my face, basically  waterboarded me with kerosene and diesel fuel. And that was the first time. I couldn't see. The burning was indescribable. It caused a lot of damage. I had to have seven and a half hours of reconstructive surgery inside to fix it as much as possible. It's all scar tissue now. I don't smell much. They had to remove the bone up here, all this bone, just to get inside. And all those records are there; they know what it is.  And they would do -- they had arranged for things like -- this facility, Har-Can [phonetic] Detention Center, had a Mersa outbreak at this time, and they took me out of one cell where I was laying on the floor most of the time and put me with some guy that had virulent Mersa

  INTERVIEWER: Oh!

  INTERVIEWEE: hoping I'd catch it. Yeah. He was losing chunks of scalp and hair. And I'm just steadying on the bed, you know. I can't move. I was very weak, and I was bleeding everywhere. So, I woke up one day and one his scabs that he constantly picked off was in my ear, 'cause he would pick them off on the top bunk and just drop them to where I was.  So, about the most I could do, I'd make it over to the sink, which was behind the toilet, to get water, and that would wear me out. I'd collapse. I was on about 600 calories a week not a day, a week.

  INTERVIEWER: And why was the warden allowing you to starve like this?

  INTERVIEWEE: This was -- he was working -- Rosati had control over a nurse in the Medical -- Iris -- and the one doctor, because they were both dirty, the doctor especially. He knew him from before. So, he was just writing off on it.  And they brought in an outside doctor, who at the end, he's like -- he couldn't believe what it was.· He signed on immediately. He's like "Nooooo."· They kept it hidden. They lied to the judge. They would falsify paperwork. I mean, it's not like I can go the judge and show him my condition. They're saying stuff like "I've got all the paperwork." They're like "He's lying he's exaggerating. He has lost weight, but most prisoners lose maybe, you know, 10 to 20 pounds when they get in there because of the diet and they can't snack anymore." No. I was like 76 pounds down at that time. And they lied. And I have all the paperwork. So, yes, it was submitted to the Court where I had the actual, you know, medical (inaudible) paperwork showing you were down, down, down, down, down, where you lost it. And (inaudible) the particular judge at that time was a pedophile, a known pedophile –

  INTERVIEWER: (Interposing) What's --what's his name?

  INTERVIEWEE: William O. Carr. And Rod certainly controlled him. William Carr impregnated his own daughter, had his daughter's last grandchild from her. When the child was born he used his pull and his judgeship to have the daughter committed as crazy, whatever, and now he took away custody. Now he has custody of the daughter's last granddaughter, who I'm sure is in absolute hell, because he doesn't hide the fact that he abuses her -- well, he discussed it. But that's the –

  INTERVIEWER: (Interposing) Do you know if they had -- if they had leverage on this specific judge? Rosenstein and –

  INTERVIEWEE: Oh, yeah, they know he is. Oh, yeah, they have it. They may know the specifics of everything he's done. Yeah. They may have the D&E [phonetic] thing from the granddaughter-slash-daughter. But  --

  INTERVIEWER: Are you aware of any current leverage that's existing now that we can potentially shed light on?

  INTERVIEWEE: On who?

  INTERVIEWER: John -- John Connor or anybody else that might be able to -- or anybody else that might be under these types of influences.

  INTERVIEWEE: Well, I mean, there's multiple judges. I mean, this was the whole focus of the Dirty Trick Squad, was to gain leverage, gain political leverage. They want to control both sides. They didn't care what side you're on, they wanted to control. They compromise judges, they compromise family members to compromise the judge. If they couldn't compromise a judge they'd plan it -- well, some had even done it to themselves. Some of them are into that or something. They're into something. But if they weren't, then they would compromise a family member. One judge, they couldn't get anything on him so they compromised his son. His son was at college. He'd click the computer to record movies and music and everything, and, you know, they would just get in and download child porn, and it was like "Oh, look, Your Honor, your son's downloading child porn. We can keep it quiet, you know, but you gotta work with us."  These are the little things they did. This is how they did their everyday job.

  INTERVIEWER: So, how did you end up getting released from this custody? What was the -- what was the exit process, I guess, like?

  INTERVIEWEE: From the initial one?

  INTERVIEWER: Yeah.

  INTERVIEWEE: Well, they sentenced me. They figured that there was just -- you know, I couldn't take that much abuse. I -- the new doctor had come in. He was a part-timer. He'd rotated in. He was like "Noooo," so he wrote it and actually released me from the jail at that point. They hadn't charged me, convicted me. They said I had plead guilty. I didn't. The attorney they had working for them, who was actually a customer of Rosati's -- multiple times that he had arrested and actually supplied stuff to, did cocaine in front of me at  the jailhouse -- he signed the plea agreement in my name. He said I was too incapacitated.  He spelled "White" wrong because he was so high; that's not an easy one to misspell. But Thomas Maronick. But he actually spelled my name wrong.· He said I was  incapacitated and couldn't do it so he signed for me, which would be illegal. The day after I found out what he had done I wrote to the judge, just to get it on the record, saying, you know, "You don't know what these people are doing. I'm working with them." There's all the stuff; I have a copy of that. They told me to leave a space for a court stamp so it'd be accepted, and I put it on the record. I said, "I did not sign it. I don't want to plea. I want my day in court." 'Cause part of the plea was you have ten days to nullify it and go to trial, which is a standard thing, and then I put in and they're like "Oh, no, it was just a suggestion.· You don't get that." So -- and I fought that case pro se, by myself, while being forced to work for these idiots. They gave me a year and a day for that sentence. I was there for several months beyond that -- not beyond that, but, I mean, of the year and a day I did seven and a half months, because at that point I was in such bad condition they released me medically to a home detention situation, and still forced to work for these people and maintain contacts with the terrorist groups, things like that, which I had to feed to them, but they controlled it much more after that. But I fought that case pro se for years, four years, and finally -- finally -- he -- Carr finally semi- retired and I got assigned to another judge. I went to court and I won. She issued -- 'cause the evidence is plain. I have everyone backing me up -- the post office,  FedEx, the local police, the doctor. Everybody backs me up, and it's plainly obvious, so she actually reversed it entirely in my favor.

  INTERVIEWER: What year was that?

  INTERVIEWEE: August 2014.

  INTERVIEWER: Okay.

  INTERVIEWEE: She issued a court order reversing the original one entirely in my favor, erased everything, and with prejudice so they couldn't bring it back up. Well, Rod got to her and she reversed her court order. I have it. I have the original file, I have the original court order -- I have all that -- and she reversed it about two months later and put it back on and reinstated everything. That's just how they keep you under their thumb.

  INTERVIEWER: Are you aware of what he had on her to get her to do that?

  INTERVIEWEE: No.

  INTERVIEWER: So, after that –

  INTERVIEWEE: I think it was just his position.

  INTERVIEWER: After that -- after that escapade, the first time, has there been any other (inaudible) –

  INTERVIEWEE: (Interposing) 2015.

  INTERVIEWER: Yep. Can you explain that one?

  INTERVIEWEE: Again, I was -- the entire time -- forced to work with him.· As I gradually got healthier, or recovered –

  INTERVIEWER: When you say "him," that's Rosenstein or …

  INTERVIEWEE: Rod, Rod Rosenstein.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, was Rosati and the others around for this time, too?

  INTERVIEWEE: Yeah, the whole time. This was all the way up until 2016 when they started scattering, when Rod basically shut down the Dirty Trick Squad in 2016 because of the election, didn't want anything to compromise it, didn't want it to come out, and shut it down, and allowed Lisa Monaco to introduce the new CISSP section to the public -- and she actually found a whole lot more legal stuff and reported it. But when they were planning to take out the judges, when they were working with these groups and I was working in this group reporting back everything they were doing -- and I got hundreds of conversations with these people -- I recorded all of them, giving them to the FBI but keeping a copy -- and planting false flags and talking about the Boston Marathon bombing, same group -- so, I do have those -- I tried to end run. Because it got to the point where President Trump was coming on strong. It looked like he could actually take it, and they weren't gonna wait, so I exposed it. Like I said, I'd end-run them. I went around them. I went to the Department of Homeland Security with a ton of paperwork and a couple hundred hours of audio and video, gave it to them, and -- I don't know -- overwhelmed, they got mad. I don't know what happened to them, but they went to the DOJ and the FBI, and it came right back on me, because they certainly knew who I was, and, like I said, I'm sitting in prison again and more B.S. charges. Going off of the first one -- they said drug charges, although there were no drugs there.· In the first one they just said there were drugs. There were no boxes. They were imaginary. But going off the first one, it was like "Well, he's a previous offender. Drugs." They said they got a surveillance warrant. They said that they had observed me in a high-drug-trafficking area. Later on, under oath, they had to admit that it was a Safeway. They had "a pharmacy." That's how they claimed it to get the surveillance, to keep it going. So, they said, "We didn't see him doing anything or engaging in any illegal activity, but he's in that known area, Safeway."· We went grocery shopping. But it was enough.  And they actually had to drop that charge later because there was just nothing there. There was no anything. There was no drugs, no nothing. The only thing I had was my legal medication that I needed to try and recover from what they had done, quite a bit of that. And they got the insurance fraud because I was taking one medication that was a single-chemical medication. It only had one in it, which was easier for me to absorb; I have a lot of damage, the whole digestive system with scar tissue because of that. They were giving me insecticide and dichlorvos and barium sulfide, and it just ate through my whole system, and now I'm all scar tissue, so I balloon up like this or I'll drop 50 pounds without thinking about it.· It's not an easy balancing act. Anyway, I was getting medication from doctors, all legal and legitimate, Medicare/Medicaid paying for it, and they changed the formula. They actually sold the patent and changed the formula. All those records are there. They had to do this through the FDA and everything, so it's not like they can hide it. but I couldn't take it. I was taking it and getting violently ill and didn't know why, and we figured out that, you know, they changed the formula and I couldn't take it any longer. So, I was getting it while he was trying to find -- the doctor was trying to find something that I could take, something that would work, and they said, "Well, you're not taking it as directed. You have extra. Insurance fraud." So, that's where the insurance fraud came from, and that's what they used for the second incarceration. They labeled me as a gang member, white supremacist, put me in a pod with 90 gang members, known gang members. I was the only white bald guy there. All the rest of them were Black Guerrilla Family or MS-13 of one version or another. That was an interesting few weeks. It was actually the Secret Service who helped me get me into protective custody. Rod was worried because (inaudible) at the time, he's shutting everything down. This was to get me under control, especially since I went to outside channels. He arranged that Shaun Bridges, the Secret Service agent who was charged with crimes in California and New York, that he was supposed to turn himself in in New York. Well, Rod didn't trust him. He knew he's ruthless - he tried to make a deal -- so Rod had him arrested and brought into the same facility I was at while he was in Maryland, because he lived in Maryland. But he wanted to know when he was talking, so everything had to go through Rod at that point, to control it. And that's how he is.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, would Bridges be willing to discuss any of this or comment on any of this, or is -- what would probably motivate Bridges to –

  INTERVIEWEE: What would motivate him?

  INTERVIEWER: Yeah.

  INTERVIEWEE: He'd wanna make a deal, something to benefit himself, and some kind of money. Or if you knew previously about the Noisy As All thing, you know, like keep it or something -- he's gonna want some kind of deal. But he can certainly corroborate. He can provide copies as well. But, you know, he had multiple copies of different things offline or -- hard drives or thumb drives somewhere. His wife actually destroyed one by accident.

  INTERVIEWER: Would Bridges have the Pence tapes?

  INTERVIEWEE: Most likely, because he was the one who encrypted it? I know he was handed something like that because I know I copied them. I made the copies. It went to him for encryption, and if he saw something like that, he'd make copies. So, more than likely he's got them.

  INTERVIEWER: And you said his -- is his wife an immigrant or is she an American?

  INTERVIEWEE: I believe she was born her. I actually knew her family longer than I knew him, and they knew my doctor that I was getting information from. They lived very close, just a few minutes away from him. So (inaudible). But -- she's a very talented young lady, but she's just as corrupt and nasty as he is. They're all about the money. Like I said, she was in charge of a couple of copies of stuff he had made, very safe. I mean, he copied a lot of stuff, not just that but bank accounts, and not just blackmail things but any kind of financials that he could get at, something he could do. A lot of people, a lot of politicians, have money hidden overseas. He could find it. He could get into it. So he wanted that. Once he gets down south -- if he gets released and gets to the south, man, he's gonna rip them all off.

  INTERVIEWER: Do you know his wife or girlfriend or -- it's his wife, you said?

  INTERVIEWEE: Ariana –

  INTERVIEWER: Has she been –

  INTERVIEWEE: -- Esposito.

  INTERVIEWER: Has she been -- Ariana Esposito, you said?

  INTERVIEWEE: Yes.

  INTERVIEWER: Has she been involved in any kind of specific crimes that you can tie her to?

  INTERVIEWEE: She provided all kinds of contraband to him, communications to him prior to that. She helped him with her stuff. I mean, she would go out with him when he was doing various illegal activities. She helped launder money and proceeds that they -- him and the others had accumulate illegally. She even got her mother to set up a tax service, a small business that could launder money, and set up several small cleaning services to help launder the proceeds that they were doing. So, yeah, she was right in the middle of it. She was actually trained. She was in the academy, I guess, to be a state police officer when he was arrested –

  INTERVIEWER: Hmm.

  INTERVIEWEE: -- and she lost that position because of it. They weren't married at the time, just a long engagement. Then when he got arrested, they got married so she couldn't testify, and then when he got sentenced they got divorced, and now it's back to whatever version they have.

  INTERVIEWER: Did you and Shaun have interactions while you were incarcerated together, or were you separated?

  INTERVIEWEE: We did, with Rod, with P.J. Martinez, with other people, and most of them were independent. But, yeah, we were actually together for a month or two. They actually put him on the same protective custody pod.

  INTERVIEWER: So, you've got a guy that would be out for blood when this is over, when he's finally out of jail?

  INTERVIEWEE: If he can get to South America, where he has the money to protect himself, he's gonna rip off a lot of people. He's gonna rip off all the dirty politicians. I guess he has access to the stuff. He's the one who manipulated the bitcoin market. He's the one who manipulated the Silk Road Task Force to get all the money, the bitcoins that they had.

  INTERVIEWER: So, how were you released and what has your life been like since that second incarceration?

  INTERVIEWEE: Well, there's ginormous health problems since the first one with all the beatings and the poisoning and torture and stuff. My medical records tend to scare people because it actually has medical code for intentional poisoning on there and people think I tried to kill myself, and I explain to them what it is so they can understand. And I had some decent doctors throughout time, but it's been nothing but a horrible balancing act health-wise. My wife's lost her – reputation and her daughter has not spoken to her since it happened in 2009. She didn't know she was married, she didn't know she's a grandmother, and has not seen or spoken to her daughter since 2009 because of this, because her daughter believes everything the Court says. Her daughter's actually an attorney, so she believes everything they say. So, she's lost, to me, even more. But the health has been severely compromised. I do take several medications to help, hormone replacement being one of them, because they actually crushed one testicle beyond saving -- I remember that night -- and they damaged the endocrine system so badly that I have to take supplements and things to help with that, and other things to help me eat and digest, things like that, because it's all scar tissue. I don't absorb well, so I take vitamin supplements, things like that, to get what I need. I have to take large amounts of medicine because I don't absorb a fraction of it. And then in 2015 when (inaudible) to get me, "He used all that against you, cut you all off. He doesn't need any of that."· I mean, they cut me completely off, so now you're going through withdrawals, they're interrogating you. I was interrogated multiple times by the FBI, CIA and -- not CIA -- excuse me -- Secret Service. That guy's Secret Service. It's all in the transcripts of the Court. There's a very well-known like 14-hour interrogation and then a seven-and-a-half-hour polygraph in one day, back to back, because they wanted to know what was going on, how exposed they were. They wanted to know what their plans -- what plans I had revealed.

  INTERVIEWER: I hope you guys still have that polygraph interview.

  INTERVIEWEE: The FBI would have theirs, and the Secret Service. The Secret Service would have theirs. They brought in their top polygraphers. Nice people. They were very professional. It was long, you know, after 14 hours of the FBI and a seven-and-a-half-hour polygraph, no matter how nice they are, it was a long day. But, of course, that has messed you up, and the health still deteriorates, and Rod -- I'm working with Ms. Acheson on her case to expose this -- Rod had me flagged in the system by Rosati, so that cut off any -- filling any medication. I haven't had any medications in 14 months, so I am bleeding and bloated and, no, not in the best shape, not as good a shape as I recovered to. I'll never be back to what I was, but I got to a decent place, because when I'm really bad I use canes to get around and stuff, I guess it's just so weak (inaudible). But it's not been a good one. I've been on probation until October of this year.

  INTERVIEWER: So, it's been -- what's your employment -- your employment history been like in the last couple years?

  INTERVIEWEE: Sporadic. I was working part time jobs, and I would work, and if the job got a little too physical or something I would swell up. I couldn't work. It was hard to find work because you're a felon, and you can't hold any professional licenses or be bonded or anything like that, so you're relegated to small, odd jobs. Like I said, if it was something a little too physical, you couldn't do it long because you would flare up and then you're decommissioned for a month while your intestines heal back up or you stop bleeding or you're in the hospital again. There weren't many employers that would put up with it that long. So, legally disabled because of it and working part time as best as I can right now. I have one that's fairly steady with some nice people, and I'm very grateful for it because it's all we have. It becomes a little much occasionally, but they're nice people that work with me.

  INTERVIEWER: So, what has been your -- your ultimate -- that word, I can't say it correctly, but as far as coming forward, what are you hoping to see out of coming forward like this? It's a pretty bold move to come forward.

  INTERVIEWEE: Oh, yes, especially with a history of being stalked (inaudible) to move forward. People need to know. These people are still out there. They're still affecting us negatively. They're still affecting tons of other people negatively; look at what Pence just did to the president and the country. Like I said, I tried to come forward in 2016, to let the president know, because I was very excited he was there, but Pence, and especially Ryan, consider him an outsider. He hasn't paid his dues enough. But I'm coming forward again hoping that -- you know, I mean, if anybody looks at it seriously for ten minutes, "Here's the paperwork -- look at it -- records. It's not from me, it's from FedEx" or "the post office." Just look at the crap, clear it up, because I can't get medical care, I can't work, I can't support myself, I can't do anything. Because when they did this Rod was super Mr. Integrity, you know, unanimously confirmed by both sides when he was, you know, DAG and all this. And everybody knows what they're like. Everybody can see plainly how these people are. And they've left a lot of damage in their wake. You know, and they cover their crimes, they keep it quiet. It's out there now. Everybody knows it. When I was talking about it before nobody believed me, "You're crazy." No matter what you provided, they're just like "Him? No way." And the judge in 2015, he told me.· He said, "He's the new DAG."· He said, "You're right.· In this case, you're gonna be wrong." He said, "Who do I want as an enemy, you or him?" So -- but it just needs to be fixed and it needs to be corrected as much as possible, and restored.

  INTERVIEWER: Now, as far as the active threat to you now, what do you sense in that regard?

  INTERVIEWEE: Well, there's definitely a threat. Since the last stuff has come out in the last few weeks there's been open threats to myself, my wife, lots of harassing and threatening phone calls. People are approaching my wife as a reporter trying to get information, then when they can't there's threats. Rod has stepped it up, because not too long ago when Ms. Acheson -- Cheryl Acheson did an interview with the president -- President Trump -- and he said that, you know, "Your case needs to be heard, this needs to be exposed," and Rod knew what that meant, because I'm in that case, and so is Shawn Henry, the FBI guy. So, they knew what was coming, and then the threats really ramped up then, so right now I have quite a target on my back still. Fortunately, the people -- the only good part is those people are not in power anymore, but their friends are. But nothing's been fixed -- nothing's been fixed all this time -- and there's no way to defend yourself, there's no way to feel safe, and with the limited work available, with the constraints of the health, it's difficult to pack up and leave, pack up and move, which we've done more than once, for safety. Right now, Rosati, the one responsible for most of the health issues, has moved back from Delaware into Maryland, and he is roughly 20 minutes away from where we live.· He doesn't know that, but I do. Boroshok is half an hour the other way. They don't know where we're at. They moved there. So, we're surrounded. But it's -- it's tense. It's a very tense situation.

  INTERVIEWER: All right. Anything else, folks?

  UNKNOWN FEMALE: No. That's all.

  INTERVIEWER: Do you have anything else to add?

  INTERVIEWEE: No. That's just -- we're hoping that this benefits people, benefits the president on down. Somebody has to know that this was a planned coup, they had planned this, and I wrote two years ago online -- a year ago I wrote in July exactly what they were gonna do because I knew about it. And you can look it up easy enough. It's right there. This was planned. Don't let them get away with it. Please. I need help desperately, but, hey, take care of the country first.

  INTERVIEWER: I guess the final question would be, are you aware of any specific people in the president's circle now that you would warn him about?

  INTERVIEWEE: Now? I did bring up ones -- overseers (inaudible) "the Italian Job," as I called it, and that was Obama's connection to the computers and the voting and the stuff in Italy -- this was online, Twitter; you can find it easy enough -- and I was the one who was able to get some information out about Ron Yearwood and Jordan and all those guys. The president did confirm it in some fashion and fired them, and then the next one, the White House counsel, the president's counsel, the chief counsel, was able to confirm it when they fired them after I had gotten stuff to them. So, some things did get through. But, like I said, they lost a lot of control here in this country in 2016, so they started shipping it overseas for 2018, and then obviously 2020. And this one, again, Molly McCulley had uncovered and shared it with a few people, who are also not here. Because this was control. They had to get some type of control back because the president had both houses, and the presidency.

  INTERVIEWER: All right. Well, thank you, Ryan. I appreciate it.

  INTERVIEWEE: How's your kid? [END OF RECORDING] · [END OF TRANSCRIPT] · T R A N S C R I P T I O N I S T ' S · C E R T I F I C A T E ·I, Kimberly H. Nolan, Transcriptionist, do hereby certify that this transcript is a true and accurate record of the electronically recorded proceedings, transcribed by me this 2nd of March, 2021. ·KIMBERLY H. NOLAN